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reputation points going down, why
addisonxp
01/30/08 07:07
addisonxp
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i have noticed that my rep points have recently dropped within one day from 32 to 28, i would like to know why, someone out there could be just doing bad things to my account or something, i would also like to have on this site for whenever someone votes we could see who it is that votes and why they voted that, could someone pleasesort this out
 
Nada69
01/30/08 10:01
Nada69
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Exactly, that is what I have been asked for long time.
There are way to many players who set up their 'own hobbyist account' and vote for themselves and friends. The Admin does not have the time and manpower to check weekly who are these players. After a SUPPORT TICKET in a week or so the admin ADJUST reputation powers back to normal and in 2 days the game starts all over. The current system is clearly supporting those who want to gain unfair advantage and get ahead of ranking without contributing anything to the forum or even logging in to an account for months.
 
Rainaomaha
01/30/08 11:43
Rainaomaha
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There are many reasons to why a person can earn or lose points it could be a bad post a post that doesnt pertain to anything or breaking rules also you can lose points just by doing nothing on the site this was explained in the forum about being active on the site. the same applies with great posts.
Nada I have contacted support tickets a few times and they are answered promptly sometimes they do get a few so it may take a little while.
 
Site Admin
01/31/08 03:49
Site Admin
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I believe we'll imporve the system a little bit by allowing people to see on which posts and how they were voted for. We'll still keep votes anonymous (you always can disclose your voting by adding +1 or -1 to your posts).
Nada69, in your case the negative votes come from real hobbyists, not pimps or fake accounts. I don't know the reason why they don't like you and some of your friends...
Rainaomaha, the reputation can't go down due to inactivity. The only way of gaining or losing the reputation points is other members' votes. What can go down due to inactivity is the weight of reputation in determining the ad's location inside the ads category. So if someone become inactive his/her ad may slip down in the ads list from 3rd position to 5th, for example, despite high reputaion.


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Nada69
01/31/08 09:59
Nada69
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What can go down due to inactivity is the weight of reputation in determining the ad's location inside the ads category. So if someone become inactive his/her ad may slip down in the ads list from 3rd position to 5th, for example, despite high reputaion.


Then the system might have some bugs. If someone is inactive = did not log in for 6 weeks at all, yet their list position and reputation points climbing week after week. What is the explanation for such an occurence? Thanks.
 
dominixe
01/31/08 17:22
dominixe
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quote Nada69 :
Then the system might have some bugs. If someone is inactive = did not log in for 6 weeks at all, yet their list position and reputation points climbing week after week. What is the explanation for such an occurence? Thanks.

If someone's reputation is going up consistently as you say, then they are getting positive votes. Their list position may also be climbing because their reputation is increasing, if not counter-balanced by someone else's higher reputation or higher activity point level.

I have heard the complaint often that someone is inactive because they have not logged in for a long time. Therefore, its a bug! Not so. Its not the number of logins that counts, its the average number of activity POINTS. Remember that you only get ONE activity point for logging in --- you get MANY more points for posting to the forum, to your blog or submitting an article.

Its very possible that someone is "gaming" the system. That there is a group of people voting each other's reputations up, or maybe just making a large number of posts that have no meaningful content. If you think that is the case, I suggest that you can help Site Admin by submitting a support ticket or email documenting with specific details the abuse of the system that you observe.

If voting were not anonymous, just imagine what would happen --- tit for tat voting WARS. The mentality that "I will vote negatively on your post" because "You voted negatively on my post" which is just as bad as "I will vote positively for your post to raise your reputation" if "You will vote positively on my post to raise my reputation".

As a community, we need to be more mature than that. If we don't, the community will die from in-fighting or irrelevance. Its happened on other board sites.

Just my opinion.


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dominixe
01/31/08 17:42
dominixe
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quote Site Admin :
Nada69, in your case the negative votes come from real hobbyists, not pimps or fake accounts. I don't know the reason why they don't like you and some of your friends...

There is a consequence for providing the capability to 1) vote on a post, blog or article, 2) rate a picture or 3) write a review. The consequence is that its not always positive feedback. It can and often is negative.

For example, there are persons that don't like my photos for some reason and have given them low ratings. I can't do anything about their opinion. But it doesn't change MY self-worth because I remain proud of the quality of my photos.

I just don't worry much about it, and try to make a positive contribution. The reward is from the appreciation I get from others in this community.


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Nada69
01/31/08 20:56
Nada69
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If someone's reputation is going up consistently as you say, then they are getting positive votes. Their list position may also be climbing because their reputation is increasing.

This understood, but someone has same profile, no blogs, no articles. Profile up for a year, not getting any positive votes. Profile inactive for 6 weeks - lots of positive votes?! Strange, to say the least.

quote :
I have heard the complaint often that someone is inactive because they have not logged in for a long time. Therefore, its a bug! Not so. Its not the number of logins that counts, its the average number of activity POINTS. Remember that you only get ONE activity point for logging in --- you get MANY more points for posting to the forum, to your blog or submitting an article.


No posting to the forum, no blog, no article, no log in, no reviews - higher reputation weekly!

quote :
Its very possible that someone is "gaming" the system. That there is a group of people voting each other's reputations up.

EXACTLY.

quote :
If you think that is the case, I suggest that you can help Site Admin by submitting a support ticket or email documenting with specific details the abuse of the system that you observe.


Have done that!! And the Admin adjusted ranking after a week. Why would the admin adjust it if nothing suspicious have taken place?? But 2 weeks later we are in same position as before the Admin adjusted?? Submit support ticket weekly? Why not just ban those who did the votes? If the Admin adjusted reputation, certainly those who voted, did abuse the system right?

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If voting were not anonymous, just imagine what would happen --- tit for tat voting WARS. The mentality that "I will vote negatively on your post" because "You voted negatively on my post" which is just as bad as "I will vote positively for your post to raise your reputation" if "You will vote positively on my post to raise my reputation".


Reputation points don't affect hobbyist in any way, it affect providers.If someone can hide behind the anonimity of the web, they can do whatever they please without any consequences.
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Nada69
01/31/08 21:07
Nada69
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quote Site Admin :

Nada69, in your case the negative votes come from real hobbyists, not pimps or fake accounts. I don't know the reason why they don't like you and some of your friends...

My reviews speak for themselves. Thanks for confirming that the same hobbyists don't like me and some of my friends. I know the reason and I know who those "real" hobbyist like and vote for.
 
paulh50
01/31/08 21:11
paulh50
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I have no idea of who votes for me or why but, I have to agree with dominixe. The more forum posts and blog entries you have and the better quality they are the more likely you are to get votes.
I've stopped blogging for a while but I stay active on the Forums and I like the banter and discussions that can devleope there. I believe that that has a greater bearing on your reputation than anything else.
 
claud
02/01/08 05:03
claud
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quote Nada69 :
Reputation points don't affect hobbyist in any way, it affect providers.If someone can hide behind the anonimity of the web, they can do whatever they please without any consequences.

Hi Nada69,

I am a "hobbyist" who reads these forums from time to time, and I enjoy the opportunity to give my opinion by voting. Usually I vote +ve for people who have made thoughtful or amusing comments; sometimes I vote -ve for people who appear stupid or unpleasant in some way.

I gave a +1 to addisonxp: he seems a genuine guy puzzled why his reputation has fallen, so I helped him to regain it.

I gave a +1 to dominixe: she seems a very intelligent, thoughtful, calm and well mannered lady.

But, when I read your posts, I was very tempted to give you a -1 (although I have NOT done). Why? Because you seem to be a very angry, bitter and jealous person, and it's hard to see exactly why you are so bitter. I just checked the listings for your part of the world, and it seems that you are currently the No. 4 listed escort in Bangkok, and No. 5 in the whole of Thailand. Is that really so bad? I checked the profiles of the escorts ranked higher than you, and they all seem to be very active (and very pleasant!) members. I can't see why you should think that any of them don't deserve their high rankings.

And just one other thing to think about: I don't come to this site simply to read forum posts, I come here to look for escorts! And ... I'm sorry to say this, but it's the truth ... you have a nice avatar with a happy smiling face, but I'm afraid that you don't come across as being a very friendly, charming and happy companion.
 
GaryPaton
02/01/08 05:52
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Claud,
There are lots of things, which the regular forum reader does not pick up or does not know about. The admin knows about the issues and act accordingly. Sometimes a forum posting work better/faster than a support ticket.

I think you would be also upset if you are trying to advertise and work and some people who are angry, bitter and jealous of you and your friends play games the last 10 months. These games are extensive, from fake emails to fake calls, from using your photos without authorization to post fake reviews of you and not just at this website but all over the web and all times of the day.

Don't just look at the top 5 in BKK. Look at the top 20 listing and try to figure out which one provider stick out based on activity. Once you have found that particular provider look at her previous forum postings and try to figure out why so highly placed and why her ranking increasing particularly the last 1 month (did not log in under her profile name in 6 weeks but that does not mean anything since she have 'hobbyist' profiles) while your and your friends decreasing despite being active and answering hobbyist emails/phones the last month. No reviews, no articles by this particular provider and she sounds quite angry/bitter/jealous in all her earlier postings.

Nada is not talking about the top 4 advertiser. She speaks up for her friends who are active advertiser here and listed much lower. Seems that if someone speaks out openly get punished and those who resort to sneaky ways, can continue to operate behind the scenes.
 
dominixe
02/01/08 09:34
dominixe
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quote GaryPaton :
There are lots of things, which the regular forum reader does not pick up or does not know about.

I would say that the best way to get your message out is to post. Writing and posting is a way to show a consistent 'you' to the world. This does not mean always talking about problems and issues. Any thoughtful contribution is meaningful.

quote GaryPaton :
I think you would be also upset if you are trying to advertise and work and some people who are angry, bitter and jealous of you and your friends play games the last 10 months. These games are extensive, from fake emails to fake calls, from using your photos without authorization to post fake reviews of you and not just at this website but all over the web and all times of the day.

Dear Gary, how is it that you know all about this? You are stating these as facts. I certainly don't know you from your posts, which total 1 (this one). So please explain to me how and why you are a credible authority on this topic? How can you speak with such certainty?

Also, advertising is FREE on this site. So persons are complaining about being able to advertise for FREE? Oh ... persons are angry, bitter and jealous of other people playing games because the #19 FREE ad is 'unfairly' listed below the #10 FREE ad. The last time I checked, the default page listing is 25 ads. You are ALL listed on the first page.

quote GaryPaton :
Don't just look at the top 5 in BKK. Look at the top 20 listing and try to figure out which one provider stick out based on activity. Once you have found that particular provider look at her previous forum postings and try to figure out why so highly placed and why her ranking increasing particularly the last 1 month (did not log in under her profile name in 6 weeks but that does not mean anything since she have 'hobbyist' profiles) while your and your friends decreasing despite being active and answering hobbyist emails/phones the last month. No reviews, no articles by this particular provider and she sounds quite angry/bitter/jealous in all her earlier postings.

Again, why is it that YOU speak for the top 20, instead of these 20 providers? How do YOU know for a fact that a provider did not log in under her profile name in 6 weeks? --- you state these as facts! How do YOU know for a certainty that a provider has 'hobbyist' profiles? Did you personally see this provider do these things?

quote GaryPaton :
Nada is not talking about the top 4 advertiser. She speaks up for her friends who are active advertiser here and listed much lower. Seems that if someone speaks out openly get punished and those who resort to sneaky ways, can continue to operate behind the scenes.

You take it upon yourself to speak for others. That's not good enough for me. If the affected providers are unwilling to speak for themselves, then how can we help them?

And if you are going to make the accusation that someone is being punished for 'speaking out openly' then put the facts out in the open. Who spoke out? What did they say? How were they punished?


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dominixe
02/01/08 09:44
dominixe
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quote claud :
I gave a +1 to dominixe: she seems a very intelligent, thoughtful, calm and well mannered lady.

Bonjour Claud. I'm afraid that's the extent of my French, except for voulez vous couchez avec moi which I reserve for special occasions! I wanted to thank you for your comments, I hope that more international folks like yourself will participate but I know that there are a lot of competing sites on the web. I hope to talk to you again.

BTW, +5 (kisses)


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BKKFon
02/01/08 10:50
BKKFon
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Thank you Gary for trying to explain certain things. I let the admin handle this. After all this is "FREE site" and I'm happy to be on the "first page"
Mai pen rai.
 


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